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		<title>By: gold price</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4383</link>
		<dc:creator>gold price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When an individual with AN restricts his/her food intake, he/she may also begin to develop negative evaluations about his/herself and distortions about food and exercise (e.g., self-doubt, overvaluing weight, perfectionism). Oftentimes, weight loss becomes reinforcing and can reduce anxiety caused by the negative self-evaluations. Overtime, dramatic weight loss occurs, leading to medical complications and continued cognitive distortions. For example, a patient with AN may not recognize that his/her low-weight is unhealthy and may actually find his/her low weight desirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When an individual with AN restricts his/her food intake, he/she may also begin to develop negative evaluations about his/herself and distortions about food and exercise (e.g., self-doubt, overvaluing weight, perfectionism). Oftentimes, weight loss becomes reinforcing and can reduce anxiety caused by the negative self-evaluations. Overtime, dramatic weight loss occurs, leading to medical complications and continued cognitive distortions. For example, a patient with AN may not recognize that his/her low-weight is unhealthy and may actually find his/her low weight desirable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ravin</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4361</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ravin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris,

What you describe as &quot;bingeing&quot; in your daughter sounds to me more like grazing.  Some ED sufferers have what I call a &quot;permission valve,&quot; which is usually turned off (meaning they eat restrictively or according to rigid rules) but which gets turned on periodically, and while it is on they have &quot;permission&quot; from ED to eat whatever and whenever they want.  The permission valve is dangerous because it often leads to a dysregulated cycle of restrict / over-eat / restrict / overeat.  It can also very easily cause AN to morph into a  binge / purge cycle. 

 While grazing is not necessarily a bad thing, it can be problematic for ED sufferers, who usually need quite a bit of structure to keep their eating regulated and nourish themselves properly.  Also, if you are posting this question on my blog, I imagine that you and/or your daughter see it as a problem.

I would recommend viewing your daughter&#039;s binges as symptoms, just like restricting, which she needs you to step in and help her stop.  She may be ashamed and she may resist your help, but it sure sounds to me like she needs it.  

The best way to stop grazing is to serve three balanced, satisfying meals with plenty of protein and fat, along with three nutritious snacks in between.  She may need support from family members or friends to distract her between eating times and help her refrain from grazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris,</p>
<p>What you describe as &#8220;bingeing&#8221; in your daughter sounds to me more like grazing.  Some ED sufferers have what I call a &#8220;permission valve,&#8221; which is usually turned off (meaning they eat restrictively or according to rigid rules) but which gets turned on periodically, and while it is on they have &#8220;permission&#8221; from ED to eat whatever and whenever they want.  The permission valve is dangerous because it often leads to a dysregulated cycle of restrict / over-eat / restrict / overeat.  It can also very easily cause AN to morph into a  binge / purge cycle. </p>
<p> While grazing is not necessarily a bad thing, it can be problematic for ED sufferers, who usually need quite a bit of structure to keep their eating regulated and nourish themselves properly.  Also, if you are posting this question on my blog, I imagine that you and/or your daughter see it as a problem.</p>
<p>I would recommend viewing your daughter&#8217;s binges as symptoms, just like restricting, which she needs you to step in and help her stop.  She may be ashamed and she may resist your help, but it sure sounds to me like she needs it.  </p>
<p>The best way to stop grazing is to serve three balanced, satisfying meals with plenty of protein and fat, along with three nutritious snacks in between.  She may need support from family members or friends to distract her between eating times and help her refrain from grazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4359</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your posts, Dr. Ravin. I rely on them for guidance that is so important to help my daughter recover.  You state that phase 2 is entered once all ED behaviors are stopped.  My daughter has been weight restored for 7 months . We had three meals and one snack with her for six of those months, but haven&#039;t been successful in stopping binges which occur once every week or 10 days.  Our team had us move to independent lunches,which we did a month ago.  The weight has held steady, but so have the binges. Do you have any suggestions of how to help her with this? Her binges take the form of hungry days where she eats throughout the day, but with no intense  out of control eating.  She is actually quite engaging on these days, although at some point in the day she will start trying to hide that she&#039;s eating yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your posts, Dr. Ravin. I rely on them for guidance that is so important to help my daughter recover.  You state that phase 2 is entered once all ED behaviors are stopped.  My daughter has been weight restored for 7 months . We had three meals and one snack with her for six of those months, but haven&#8217;t been successful in stopping binges which occur once every week or 10 days.  Our team had us move to independent lunches,which we did a month ago.  The weight has held steady, but so have the binges. Do you have any suggestions of how to help her with this? Her binges take the form of hungry days where she eats throughout the day, but with no intense  out of control eating.  She is actually quite engaging on these days, although at some point in the day she will start trying to hide that she&#8217;s eating yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ravin</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ravin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Jeane,

While you can make your child eat more and gain weight, you can&#039;t make her have insight or motivation.  Those things come from within.  However, you can encourage her to develop insight by talking with her about the illness (which you have tried) and by having her in therapy (which you have also tried).  

I strongly recommend that patients live at home until they have demonstrated the insight and motivation to maintain their remission independently.  Of course, a patient needs to be able to talk about her illness and demonstrate an understanding of what she needs to do to stay well in order for me to have confidence that she can manage on her own.

My recommendation to you would be to sit down and have a talk with your daughter now about what criteria you require her to meet in order for her to live independently.  If she won&#039;t talk, that&#039;s fine, just as long as she listens.  Let her know that, as things are now, she is not nearly ready to live on her own.  Let her know that you will need to see much more insight from her in order to consider allowing her to live independently.  Be specific about what this would entail - for example, conversations with you and her father about managing ED and preventing relapse, seeing a therapist and actually talking about managing her illness, etc.  I would recommend encouraging her to apply to local schools in case she is not well enough to go away next year.  If she really wants to go away, use that as a motivator to get her to demonstrate insight.  Let her apply to the faraway schools of her dreams (but NOT early admission, which is a binding decision) and by the time spring rolls around, you will have a better idea of whether she will be ready to go away, and her final choice of college will be contingent upon her readiness.

It is unclear to me from your description whether your daughter lacks insight or whether she simply doesn&#039;t wish to talk about her illness.  If it is the former, you will have a much harder time getting her to come around.  If it is the latter, then it is simply a matter of providing incentives for her to open up.  It may be humiliating or upsetting for her to talk about her illness, and up until now there has been no real need for her to do so.  What you need to do now is help her understand that the rewards of insight (a full, independent life) are worth the discomfort of opening up about her illness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Jeane,</p>
<p>While you can make your child eat more and gain weight, you can&#8217;t make her have insight or motivation.  Those things come from within.  However, you can encourage her to develop insight by talking with her about the illness (which you have tried) and by having her in therapy (which you have also tried).  </p>
<p>I strongly recommend that patients live at home until they have demonstrated the insight and motivation to maintain their remission independently.  Of course, a patient needs to be able to talk about her illness and demonstrate an understanding of what she needs to do to stay well in order for me to have confidence that she can manage on her own.</p>
<p>My recommendation to you would be to sit down and have a talk with your daughter now about what criteria you require her to meet in order for her to live independently.  If she won&#8217;t talk, that&#8217;s fine, just as long as she listens.  Let her know that, as things are now, she is not nearly ready to live on her own.  Let her know that you will need to see much more insight from her in order to consider allowing her to live independently.  Be specific about what this would entail &#8211; for example, conversations with you and her father about managing ED and preventing relapse, seeing a therapist and actually talking about managing her illness, etc.  I would recommend encouraging her to apply to local schools in case she is not well enough to go away next year.  If she really wants to go away, use that as a motivator to get her to demonstrate insight.  Let her apply to the faraway schools of her dreams (but NOT early admission, which is a binding decision) and by the time spring rolls around, you will have a better idea of whether she will be ready to go away, and her final choice of college will be contingent upon her readiness.</p>
<p>It is unclear to me from your description whether your daughter lacks insight or whether she simply doesn&#8217;t wish to talk about her illness.  If it is the former, you will have a much harder time getting her to come around.  If it is the latter, then it is simply a matter of providing incentives for her to open up.  It may be humiliating or upsetting for her to talk about her illness, and up until now there has been no real need for her to do so.  What you need to do now is help her understand that the rewards of insight (a full, independent life) are worth the discomfort of opening up about her illness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jeane</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jeane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Ravin - You wrote &quot; However, it will be important for her to become fluent in the language of ED before she lives independently so that she can manage her symptoms on her own. If she is still not ready to talk about it when it comes time for college, I would recommend keeping her home until she has shown better insight and maturity.&quot;

Our daughter has been recovering for 3 1/2 years (w/r since April 2009).  She is in charge of her food with supervision from us.  She is still not ready to talk about her illness and becomes extremely agitated any time we do.  We have tried 3 different therapists and she will not talk.  I think she would have with the last one but she would not accept our insurance.  This is my biggest fear with her going away to college (potentially in one year) -- that if she does not have any insight or maturity she will not be able to manage her illness.  Any suggestions for moving her forward in talking about her illness?

I so appreciate your knowledge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Ravin &#8211; You wrote &#8221; However, it will be important for her to become fluent in the language of ED before she lives independently so that she can manage her symptoms on her own. If she is still not ready to talk about it when it comes time for college, I would recommend keeping her home until she has shown better insight and maturity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our daughter has been recovering for 3 1/2 years (w/r since April 2009).  She is in charge of her food with supervision from us.  She is still not ready to talk about her illness and becomes extremely agitated any time we do.  We have tried 3 different therapists and she will not talk.  I think she would have with the last one but she would not accept our insurance.  This is my biggest fear with her going away to college (potentially in one year) &#8212; that if she does not have any insight or maturity she will not be able to manage her illness.  Any suggestions for moving her forward in talking about her illness?</p>
<p>I so appreciate your knowledge!</p>
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		<title>By: Chartreuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chartreuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a fabulous post -- I&#039;m a psychiatry trainee and we get such mixed messages about how to treat eating disorders, particularly in the form of minimizing the importance of residual symptoms and minimizing the importance of full nutrition/weight restoration. Reading your blog helps me find a better way of working with families and patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a fabulous post &#8212; I&#8217;m a psychiatry trainee and we get such mixed messages about how to treat eating disorders, particularly in the form of minimizing the importance of residual symptoms and minimizing the importance of full nutrition/weight restoration. Reading your blog helps me find a better way of working with families and patients.</p>
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		<title>By: gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4226</link>
		<dc:creator>gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Dr. Ravin. That makes sense. It will take some working to find something she wants to do that requires more independence. I am not sure if this is because of who she is or because of how our family has shaped itself around ED. When she wants to do something social, we bend over backwards to make it happen, because she doesn&#039;t do it that often. If we made her being social dependent on certain behaviors, my guess is she&#039;d just choose not to do those things, which is a problem in its own right. But we will examine this and see what we can come up with. I appreciate your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Dr. Ravin. That makes sense. It will take some working to find something she wants to do that requires more independence. I am not sure if this is because of who she is or because of how our family has shaped itself around ED. When she wants to do something social, we bend over backwards to make it happen, because she doesn&#8217;t do it that often. If we made her being social dependent on certain behaviors, my guess is she&#8217;d just choose not to do those things, which is a problem in its own right. But we will examine this and see what we can come up with. I appreciate your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ravin</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.drsarahravin.com/eating-disorders/navigating-phase-ii/#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ravin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gobsmacked,

The criterion for entering Phase II which is &quot;no longer engaging in ED behaviors&quot; simply means that restricting, bingeing, purging, and over exercise are no longer occurring BECAUSE the parents have successfully gotten these symptoms under control.  In Phase I, with the way I coach families, the patient would not have an opportunity to restrict because all meals and snacks are supervised.  So &quot;no restricting&quot; in this context simply means that all food served is being eaten without significant resistance (no trips to the ER, etc).  

Your daughter sounds like a kid who needs a nudge to move forward.  However, it is hard to nudge someone who isn&#039;t motivated by anything.  There must be something she wants to do - spend time with friends, go on a trip, go away to college, do an activity - something to provide an incentive for her to start eating on her own.

With regards to not talking about ED, this is not uncommon.  My opinion is that it isn&#039;t important in early recovery for a young patient to be able to discuss or even acknowledge ED.  However, it will be important for her to become fluent in the language of ED before she lives independently so that she can manage her symptoms on her own.  If she is still not ready to talk about it when it comes time for college, I would recommend keeping her home until she has shown better insight and maturity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gobsmacked,</p>
<p>The criterion for entering Phase II which is &#8220;no longer engaging in ED behaviors&#8221; simply means that restricting, bingeing, purging, and over exercise are no longer occurring BECAUSE the parents have successfully gotten these symptoms under control.  In Phase I, with the way I coach families, the patient would not have an opportunity to restrict because all meals and snacks are supervised.  So &#8220;no restricting&#8221; in this context simply means that all food served is being eaten without significant resistance (no trips to the ER, etc).  </p>
<p>Your daughter sounds like a kid who needs a nudge to move forward.  However, it is hard to nudge someone who isn&#8217;t motivated by anything.  There must be something she wants to do &#8211; spend time with friends, go on a trip, go away to college, do an activity &#8211; something to provide an incentive for her to start eating on her own.</p>
<p>With regards to not talking about ED, this is not uncommon.  My opinion is that it isn&#8217;t important in early recovery for a young patient to be able to discuss or even acknowledge ED.  However, it will be important for her to become fluent in the language of ED before she lives independently so that she can manage her symptoms on her own.  If she is still not ready to talk about it when it comes time for college, I would recommend keeping her home until she has shown better insight and maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Musby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Musby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! Your posts are always so informative. Will you write one on Phase 3 now? I think most of us get discharged from treatment before that, so it&#039;s a bit of a mystery to me what&#039;s involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! Your posts are always so informative. Will you write one on Phase 3 now? I think most of us get discharged from treatment before that, so it&#8217;s a bit of a mystery to me what&#8217;s involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me several years to progress all the way through Phase II. I started off living at home, then taking control of most meals, then I moved out and had to figure out grocery shopping (which I still do with my mom most of the time) and meal prep. Not that I haven&#039;t had slips--even rather significant ones--during that time, but I&#039;m glad and proud to say that I&#039;ve finally figured it out.

I&#039;m adding this to my &quot;must reads&quot; on my blog. It&#039;s brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me several years to progress all the way through Phase II. I started off living at home, then taking control of most meals, then I moved out and had to figure out grocery shopping (which I still do with my mom most of the time) and meal prep. Not that I haven&#8217;t had slips&#8211;even rather significant ones&#8211;during that time, but I&#8217;m glad and proud to say that I&#8217;ve finally figured it out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m adding this to my &#8220;must reads&#8221; on my blog. It&#8217;s brilliant.</p>
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